Ah, health insurance – such a necessary evil (or evil necessity). At this writing, the U.S. Supreme Court has just announced that it is upholding a key provision of the Affordable Healthcare Act, also known as the ACA or Obamacare. We believe the ACA is a step in the right direction for U.S. citizens but still has a long way to go towards ensuring universal, affordable healthcare for all. Hopefully, with this ruling, the politicians will stop wasting time and resources trying to defeat the act and start working on how to make it better (and on that day the air will fill with porcine aviators!).
Lucky for you, I’ll get off that soapbox and explain how John and I are approaching the health insurance dilemma as Panama expats. It’s a complicated topic, so hang on!
One of the reasons we chose Panama was its reputation for high-quality healthcare at a much lower cost than the outrageously out-of-control U.S. system. But that doesn’t mean there are no cost considerations – and frankly, it’s not a good idea to move down here without thinking through how you’ll pay for a major health crisis. The topic of Panamanian healthcare and facilities is the stuff of another blog post, but the short version is that everyone in Panama has access to some form of care when and if they need it. The best care available is in the private hospitals (Hospital Chiriqui and Hospital Mae Lewis in David), but our understanding is that you might be turned away and sent to one of the public hospitals if you don’t have insurance and can’t demonstrate your ability to pay up front.
Our ages (55 and 59) have made things a bit complex (welcome to middle age!). We will be traveling back to the U.S. a couple of times a year to see family, so we need some type of U.S. coverage. We’re too young to qualify for Medicare and we don’t qualify financially for the ACA subsidies.Up until this point, we’ve been paying a huge monthly COBRA premium to stay on the insurance offered by John’s former company – but that was not meant to be permanent and it certainly isn’t sustainable, cost-wise. (SIDE RANT: People in our age group and income bracket are the ones really left holding the bag for healthcare costs in the U.S. There’s NOTHING available that’s remotely affordable if you’re going it alone, without an employer to foot some or part of the bill. And that includes the Obamacare insurance exchanges.)
We have a similar age-related issue for Panamanian coverage. We have decided to postpone getting our Panamanian visas until we can qualify for our pensionados, and we can’t do that until John starts collecting Social Security in 2017. After talking with Magda Crespo, a local insurance agent in Boquete (BTW, if you haven’t put Magda in your Panama rolodex yet, you should – she is fantastic!), we’ve discovered we can’t apply for the most ideal Panamanian policy until we have at least started the visa process.
NOTE: If you have your visa or have started the process, you can skip the rest of this! Your best bet is to visit Magda and talk over options with her. She offers some excellent plans with robust coverage in Panama and also travel coverage.
SO . . . drum roll: after exhaustive research (by John) and head-scratching, here’s our interim solution. I’ll state my usual disclaimer that our situation is unique and yours might be quite different depending your age, pre-existing health conditions, and other factors.
- INTERNATIONAL POLICY. For Panamanian coverage as well as travel anywhere else in the world including the US, we have signed up for the “Special VIP” policy from VUMI Group. We purchased the policy through an agent in Panama City, Gonzalo de la Guardia. After three months of John turning over every international travel insurance stone he could find, we chose this company and agent because they met our specific needs. The VUMI Group has the highest ratings for customer service and Gonzalo was great to work with; in fact, he’s a card-carrying VUMI customer for himself and his family. Not a bad recommendation.
COST: a small fraction of what we’ve been paying for COBRA, which only covers us in the U.S. Mind you, the VUMI policy has a high deductible and does not cover two fairly significant pre-existing conditions (one for each of us) but it’s a stop-gap until we qualify for Medicare.
Our best advice is to do your homework – there are many, many companies out there offering international travel insurance but few cover the U.S. and some have restrictions on some Asian countries. And honestly, most of them are not very highly rated. Get as much unvarnished info as you can about what it’s actually like to work with the company you’re considering (the expat blogs are your best friends). Cost is important, but also the company’s track record for customer service. How long have they been in business and what is their reputation on social media? How complicated is it to file a claim and how long will it take for them to pay? How many hoops will you have to jump through and how much paperwork will it take? One thing we like about VUMI is that filing a claim is a completely online process – a must for international travelers.
- LOCAL HOSPITAL PLAN. To supplement our Panamanian coverage, we have signed up for MS Panama SA,AKAHospitalChiriqui
insurance (the company is not connected with Hospital Chiriqui, although its office is on the second floor). This coverage is fairly limited; in fact, it’s really more of a discount program than an insurance policy. It pays 70 percent of covered expenses to a max of $25,000 a year and also excludes pre-existing conditions – in fact, they’ll deny you if you have more than three exclusions. (We have a funny story about that, subject of another post. In fact, the whole process of getting HC coverage was pretty darned interesting – and I mean that in the best way!) One good thing about this plan is that it doesn’t just cover treatment at Hospital Chiriqui, but is also affiliated with Punta Pacifica, Panama City’s best hospital.
COST: $419 for both of us, every three months. Of course, the premium will increase as we age. Can someone please tell us where they’re handing out those anti-aging pills??!
Are you asleep yet?? If you’re a U.S. citizen there are a few more things you need to know about the ACA. The first is the mandate that every American citizen carry health insurance that meets the standard for “minimum essential coverage” or otherwise pay a fine. And yes, it applies to expats – but only until you meet the same “330 rule” that the IRS uses for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. In short, this rule lets you exclude up to $90K of income every year from federal taxation when you’ve passed the “physical presence test” by spending 330 or more days in a calendar year outside the U.S. In other words: get your 330 days in and you get two golden tickets: no Obamacare fine and a huge tax break on earned income. (Since I’m still working, I did a little happy dance when I found out about that one!!).
The million-dollar question (and one we’re still trying to answer) is whether our new international VUMI policy meets that “minimum essential coverage” test. Best we can tell, you have to have a policy issued by one of the state exchanges in the U.S. Thanks to our good friend the 330 rule, we get to take the exemption in 2016, but for 2015 we’ll probably just suck it up and pay the $100 fine.
The best insurance? Eat right, exercise, keep moving, enjoy life, travel, laugh and love a lot, be kind, be positive and live for today. Kiss your partner every day!
Be well and be happy.
Great info and guidance. Really appreciate your blog. Looking forward to living in Boquete hopefully by April. A couple questions came to mind after reading the blog:
1. was the cost you mentioned for both policies?
2. how did you contact VUMI – I can’t find an email anywhere.
Thanks again for a fun and informative blog. . .
Thanks, Eric! Next April will be here before you know it 🙂
Here’s all the contact info for VUMI: http://www.vumigroup.com/portfolio/contact/
The phone numbers are near the bottom. I don’t see an email but it’s probably best to deal with them by phone.
I’ll send you an email about the cost.
I am so impressed how well you are figuring it “all” out. Congratulations, but Teddy does miss the girls and we do miss you. Have you seen Donna?
One’s destination is never a place but a new way of seeing something. Henry Miller
We miss you, Jake, and little Teddy Face too! Hope you can come see us some day. We have not seen Donna yet but have spoken to her several times and she’s coming up to Boquete in late July. She’s been doing a lot of house-sitting – for Cheval and others.
I have read every entry of your blog numerous times! I want to thank you both for all of the useful information. We are close to the same age as you both and the so the info on healthcare options was most helpful! And we will be contacting Jose to help us with Jordy (our doggy baby)! Thank you for the PM from the Panama Exchange and my husband, Bruce will be contacting when he gets to Boquette in late November! And…we are sailing wannabes! So any guidance in that arena would also be greatly appreciated! I am looking forward to meeting you both some day!
Hi Carrie – glad our blog is helpful! Please stay in touch and keep us posted on your plans.
Sigh! We encounter the same problems with health care coverage in Nicaragua. We had a discount plan for Vivian Pellas Hospital in Managua ( $525 for both yearly), but there were so many procedures that weren’t covered by the discount plan, that after 2 years we dropped it. Now, we’re searching again for affordable healthcare coverage. Our only option is to find a health insurance plan like yours with the VUMI group. I appreciate all of this information. Thank you so much. When we return to the states, we buy a cheap travel insurance that will cover us because we always rent a car and I worry about accidents.
Since we have residency, I went to the a Nicaraguan health insurance company to apply for health insurance and believe it or not, we are both unable to be insured because of our age. They told me that all Nicaragua health insurance companies will have the same age limits…under 60 years old. It’s so crazy.
Meanwhile, we search for some way to be covered for catastrophic illness and emergency services. This post has been a lifesaver for us. Tomorrow, I’m going to investigate VUMI. Thanks again and many hugs for this info.
Oh, if this info is even a little bit helpful to you, I’m so glad! It sounds like the system is somewhat similar in Nicaragua. We’ll probably age ourselves out of the hospital plan eventually, and its coverage is also pretty limited. I hope you find something with VUMI. I had another thought – I wonder if Magna Crespo has policies that cover Nicaragua? You might want to send her a quick email. Good luck with it all – it’s so frustrating, isn’t it?
Hey guys good job, you have been working hard. I’ll pass your info on to Eileen’s friend who is moving to Panama soon. We head to Ireland on Sat but I’ll be keeping track of your blog. Love to you both. B.
Thanks, B! Hope you and Richard are well. We think about you all the time and we miss you.
Fantastic post and so informative! I’m looking forward to the referenced posts on your healthcare processes. Be healthy and happy!
Thanks, Barbara! So glad it’s helpful 🙂
Miss you guys…haven’t even met the neighbors yet! However, I did have to leave a note on their door at 10:30 the other night, their dogs barked for 4 hours straight!!! I finally had to take a sleeping pill to go to sleep!!!! Hope you work all the healthcare issues out, let’s face it, at our age, we need it!
Thank you so much for the information! My husband, who is 65 and on Medicare with a supplemental, will probably be over 67 when we move to Panama. I will be 55. Is there any way we can secure health insurance through our agent here in New Mexico (she is wonderful or Da Bomb!)? We have not yet been for a visit but we are scoping out the area between David and Puerto Armuelles. We plan to bring a small Internet business with us to supplement our income. We were planning to spend between $1400 and $1600 a month. Does that sound feasible for both the area we are considering and the expenses? I have been reading your blog for just a short time but am very impressed with the informational content! I got here through EXPAT-BLOG.com.
Thank you for the wonderful information and service you are providing for us dreamers, wannabees and hopefully someday doers!
Hi, Renee, good to “meet” you! Hmm, not sure about the insurance question – your agent might be able to sign you up with VUMI, which is our international plan. Won’t hurt to ask. The agent in Panama City, Gonzalo de la Guardia, speaks perfect English and is easy to reach, otherwise – we Skyped with him to get the details.
In terms of your budget, it’s so hard to advise on that point. We live up in Boquete which is more expensive. If you’re planning on renting, you can go as inexpensive as $200-$300 for a Panamanian-style house in David (we have some friends who are doing just that, in a charming house in a Panamanian neighborhood) to $2,000 for a fancy place in Valle Escondido, in Boquete. We are paying around a grand for our place but we have to move at the end of November and we’re hoping to find something smaller and less expensive.
Hope that helps – keep us posted on your plans!
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